Episode 39: Defining Disciple And Discipleship

Join Mike Johnson and Harry Vein in a discussion about Defining Disciple and Discipleship

Ascending Leaders Founder and President Mike Johnson dialogues with Rev. Harry Vein, a retired UMC pastor and certified discipleship coach, on what discipleship is truly about. Listen to Rev. Harry Vein, as he clarifies what discipleship means and why there is so much confusion surrounding this term. If discipleship isn’t about having wonderful church programming, then what is it?

Episode 38: The Why of Discipleship

Join Mike Johnson and Robert Johnson in a discussion about The Why of Discipleship

Ascending Leaders Founder and President Mike Johnson dialogues with Rev. Bob Johnson, retired executive pastor of Chapelwood United Methodist Church and Ascending Leaders Discipleship Coach, on the profound but true reason why discipleship matters. Listen to Rev. Johnson, as he highlights the major points surrounding the “why” of discipleship.

Episode 37: Disciples Discipleship in the New Testament

Join Mike Johnson and Teresa Rossy in a discussion about what the New Testament says about Discipleship

Ascending Leaders Founder and CEO Mike Johnson partners with Teresa Rossy, former Director of Adult Discipleship at Chapelwood United Methodist Church, Houston, TX, in a robust conversation about the vital, often missed concepts of building a vibrant, Christ-centered discipleship church. Together, they delve into a delightfully, eye-opening conversation about what the New Testament says about discipleship.

The Heartbeat of the Harvest: Why a Pastor’s Passion for Discipleship is Non-negotiable

Michael Scott Johnson

Feb 2026

In the landscape of modern ministry, pastors often become the “Chief Operating Officer” while balancing budgets, managing staff, and curating weekend experiences. However, the soul of a thriving church doesn’t lie in programs, but in spiritual formations.

Drawing from the timeless mandates of Scripture, the two-decades of experience of Ascending Leaders, and the grit of historical leadership, I would like to show you that a church’s discipleship culture rarely rises above the personal vision of its leader.

The Vision Constraint

There is a sobering reality found in Proverbs 29:18“Where there is no vision, the people perish.” In a congregational context, “perishing” doesn’t always mean the doors close; it often means the people stall. They wander in circles of consumerism rather than marching toward maturity.

If a pastor lacks a clear, burning vision for how a seeker becomes grounded deeply in Christ, the congregation will lack the map to get there. As Ascending Leaders often emphasizes, a leader must first be a “disciple-maker in chief” before they can expect the pews/seats to follow suit.

The Great Commission: A Direct Mandate

A pastor’s vision must be anchored in Jesus’ Great Commission. Christ did not suggest we “make members” or “fill seats” or “assimilate folk;” He commanded us to “make disciples” (Matthew 28:19).

For a pastor, this isn’t just a verse to preach—it’s the metric for success. When a pastor is personally passionate about discipleship, it changes the “Why” behind every meeting:

  • Preaching becomes a tool for transformation, not just information.
  • Budgeting prioritizes people and leadership development over shiny facades.
  • Success is measured by who is growing in intimacy and is sent out, not just who sits in.

The Churchillian Resolve

Shifting a church culture toward intentional discipleship is rarely easy. It often meets the “gravity” of tradition and the “friction” of status quo. It can take 7-10 years of work consistently in the discipleship direction. This is where the pastor must channel the spirit of Winston Churchill’s iconic 1941 address:

“Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense.” 

Discipleship is a long-game strategy. There will be seasons where the fruit seems sparse, and the resistance feels high. But a leader with a personal, God-given passion for seeing lives transformed will never give up. They understand that the “victory” is found in the slow, steady work of walking alongside others, just as Christ walked with the Twelve.

Final Reflection

A church without a discipleship-focused pastor is like a ship with a captain who has forgotten the destination. When the pastor’s heart beats for the Great Commission, for the intimacy of his people with Christ, that rhythm eventually pulses through every small group, every volunteer team, and every heart in the sanctuary. Click here for a “Personal Discipleship Vision” worksheet.

Episode 36: Worthwhile Reads on Discipleship

Our Guest for this Episode – Mike Johnson:

Mike served as resident pastor at New Life Church in Spring, Texas, and then planted and pastored Community Life Church in Missouri City, Texas. During this period, Mike developed and implemented the Texas Leadership Development Network, which was the predecessor to Ascending Leaders. Mike helps church leaders refocus. He has been involved in the city-reaching efforts of the greater Houston area.

Mike started Ascending Leaders in 2005 and is the core author of much of Ascending Leaders’ material. He has developed coaching practices that have blessed a myriad of churches.

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Episode 35: Discipleship in a Distracted Culture

Our Guest for this Episode – Harry Vein:

Harry retired in 2022 from serving churches throughout the Texas Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church for the past 40 years. He served churches in Houston (Chapelwood – my home church), Cleveland (FUMC), Brenham (FUMC), Cypress UMC and Spring Faith UMC. 

Throughout his ministry, Harry loved leading people into an intimate relationship with Christ that would lead their faith to come alive. In planning for life in retirement, Harry was trained through Coach Training For Leaders in order to empower pastors, leaders and churches to be all that God created them to be. His passion in ministry is to see lives and churches transformed as people fall in love with Christ and one another. 

Episode 34: Making the Shift: Moving Discipleship-focused Ministry from Adults to Students

Our Guest for this Episode – Janet Ables:

Janet is the Minister of Development (Leadership, Curriculum and Women) at CityView Bible Church in Round Rock, Austin, Texas and she also serves as the interim Student Pastor.  She made the “exodus to Texas” just before the pandemic in 2019 and before coming to Texas she served for over 15 years in vocational ministry in California. The bulk of this was within the scope of women’s ministry and adult discipleship.

She’s written 3 Bible-study books, Faith Refined: How God Uses Hard Times to Redefine Our Faith, Deceived: Destroying the lie that we are not enough, and To Know by Name: An Intimate Look at the Names of God.

She’s also the founder and president of the Esther Movement, an organization dedicated to reaching women in vulnerable places with the love of the gospel. And if that is not enough, she is also a recent graduate from the Evangelism and Leadership program at Wheaton College.

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Episode 33: Lessons on Discipleship from Forgiveness

Our Guest for this Episode – Emmanuel Kwizera, M.A. ’23:

Emmanuel is a Billy Graham scholar in the M.A. program for Evangelism and Leadership at Wheaton College. He first arrived on campus with his family in 2021 after spending years working in Kenya as an evangelist.

He is originally from Rwanda, the son of missionary evangelists. In 1994, he survived the brutal genocide that ripped the country apart and led to the death of over one million of the Tutsi people, including over 100 of his own family members. Raised in a Christian family, Emmanuel was left wondering how God could have allowed such horror to happen, especially in a country that identified overwhelmingly as Christian. Join Ascending Leaders’ podcast to hear what he learned about discipleship and forgiveness.

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